Let me start by pointing to the article in which I am about to reply. It was written by Robert Dante and is entitled When Having Principles Hurt.
There needs to be a few things cleared up and I will allow you to decide what’s the truth as I post my entire OP and comment on it piece by piece. The first part of my OP on my personal Facebook page stated the following:
I have refused to do business with people who said they intended to use my whips on other consenting adults. They kindly took their business elsewhere and didn’t involve lawyers or the government. That’s how free, civilized people handle such things.
Since at least 2002, I have stated on my website publicly that I do not endorse nor condone the use of a whip on another person and do not knowingly make orders for those purposes (other than martial arts perhaps). This should not be news to anyone who’s ever looked at the page on my site where I have my policies posted, especially someone who’s known me since my early days online selling whips.
I have, in the past, refunded orders and not taken orders of those who told me they planned to use the whips for BDSM. I do not recall Robert saying he intended to use my whips for anything like that, and I don’t ask what people plan to do for conscience sake. The few times I have refused to do an order was when I was explicitly told the order was going to be used in a setting with which I am not comfortable being associated.
What people do with the whips I sell is their business, but again, my preference is to make whips for sporting, work, and martial arts purposes. I recall at one time when Bullwhip.org actually posted with a maker’s link that they did not do BDSM work, and asked everyone to respect that. And for the record, all I have ever received is respect on this matter, until now.
I have never sought after that market. That there are cowboys who go to conventions that do it is of no consequence to me. I’m not into it. Never have been, never will be. Sorry, that’s just me. Robert says he’s surprised I didn’t know what he did with the whips? Well, I’m equally surprised he didn’t know where I stand on this! I’ve never made it a secret.
And now for the rest of that most terrible, offensive, and misunderstood part of my OP:
Here’s the deal: If you use government to force Christian bakers to cater gay weddings against their conscientious objections, then we will have to force gay bakers to cater Westboro Baptist events against their conscience. How about forcing Jews to cater neo-Nazi events? Forcing black folks to cater KKK events? etc.. Think about it. (Not to mention the fact I don’t want someone preparing my food after I’ve taken them to court!)
My only point here is that government forcing people to do business with others against their values is a slippery slope. It may sound like a good idea when it benefits you or people with your shared values, but what happens when that same government force is applied all around equally? Thus, this is my reason for using these other examples.
My comparisons here were never, ever meant to equate gays to Nazis or the KKK, but simply to point out that making Christians/Muslims/others cater weddings against their religious beliefs (recognizing that freedom of religion is historically one of America’s most cherished ideals!), it will open the door to people like Westboro Baptist suing gay bakers to bake them cakes against their will. (And don’t think WBC won’t try!) What is so hard to understand about this? Is this not a legitimate concern? Or can’t we think beyond the most recent media spawned outrage?
What Rhett has done is the equivalent of saying that because someone likes oral sex, he/she is prone to walk down the sidewalk biting people at random.
No, I wrote nothing of the sort, nor did I imply anything like that! This is just slanderous and makes absolutely no sense to me. It’s not even a logical inference to make from anything I wrote.
Would Robert –now wanting nothing to do with me because of my stance on this issue– want the government forcing him to buy my whips? I doubt it. My guess is he’d rather take his business elsewhere and certainly wouldn’t waste time, or money, trying to drag me into court to make him a new set of whips exclusively for BDSM. And that’s the very point I’m trying to make! Let’s keep people free to make decisions to buy or not buy, sell or not sell, on our own, without dragging the government into it!
Robert, I’m sorry it has come to this. I wish you well.
Update: Robert has replied to this article. Please click here to read it.
April 10th, 2015 at 7:56 am
I read the original post by Rhett and took it he was using extreme examples to highlight the ludicrous policy being suggested! I didn’t take offence at it at all.
I have been chatting with Rhett for many years now, we exchange knowledge, tips, tricks good url’s etc and all in all we have what I consider to be a really nice relationship, I like him. He is fully aware of the fact that 90% of what I do is for the fetish community, i’m fully aware that he is deeply religious, I guess on paper we are poles apart and shouldn’t get on but we do, I would say from my experience he’s no prude on the grounds that he talks to me just fine, he just has a business and chooses not to sell whips to BDSM players, surely that’s just a choice in the same was as I choose not to go to church is a choice?
I’m guessing this is a case of that dreaded *written Word* where something is easily misunderstood or misinterpreted, I don’t know Mr Dante nor have I had any interaction with him but he has a very good reputation as does Rhett, it seems from my position *Outside Looking In* that this could/should have been sorted out via email or at least attempted that way first rather than publicly blogging.
No offence meant to anybody just passing an opinion on a public blog..
April 10th, 2015 at 2:14 pm
Good post Rhett! Stick to your convictions and never apologize for them. People who feel the need to tear down others publicly are attention seekers and only hurt their own image.
April 10th, 2015 at 2:17 pm
Nice post Rhett! Stick to your convictions and never apologize for them. People who feel the need to tear down others publicly are simply attention seekers and only hurt themselves.
July 31st, 2015 at 9:21 pm
Well said, Rhett is a standup guy and great to do business with!